Comments on: The Mystery of the Red Bird Drawing in the Women’s Lavatory (Part 1) http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/ A spoiler-intensive RoR plot-theory blog Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:14:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Nubcake http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-36878 Nubcake Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:35:29 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-36878 -shrugs- maybe a Canadian version :o -shrugs- maybe a Canadian version :o

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-36871 PokerNemesis Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:22:42 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-36871 @Nubcake, Perhaps the video relates to the story "<strong>The Red Bird</strong>" by Astrid Lindgren, as described in <a href="http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/04/07/plot-structure-story/eleanor-the-red-bird-and-astrid-lindgren/" rel="nofollow">Eleanor, The Red Bird, and Astrid Lindgren</a>? ~ @Nubcake,
Perhaps the video relates to the story “The Red Bird” by Astrid Lindgren, as described in Eleanor, The Red Bird, and Astrid Lindgren?
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]]> By: Nubcake http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-36809 Nubcake Wed, 09 Jun 2010 23:52:20 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-36809 OOOH I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE! XD http://www.nsi-canada.ca/red_birds_of_happiness.aspx. It's a story! A story about a girl that loved a red bird. The children set her red-bird free. :0 i can't find anymore info on this lol for some reason i think it's important, one of the comment things was "Unfortunately for the feathered creatures, the true-life version of the story did not have a happy ending. " I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DX the film only plays in canada, i only found out that stuff from the pictures at the bottom(ish). am i on to something, lol? OOOH I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE! XD http://www.nsi-canada.ca/red_birds_of_happiness.aspx. It’s a story! A story about a girl that loved a red bird. The children set her red-bird free. :0 i can’t find anymore info on this lol for some reason i think it’s important, one of the comment things was “Unfortunately for the feathered creatures, the true-life version of the story did not have a happy ending. ” I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DX the film only plays in canada, i only found out that stuff from the pictures at the bottom(ish). am i on to something, lol?

]]> By: Nubcake http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-36808 Nubcake Wed, 09 Jun 2010 23:44:37 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-36808 regarding the gallows bird thing... there's a thing, (small gallows) that keeps a bird in the right position... this really irks me. I've spot-read stuff about birds, threats, Eleanor being the bird, all this comes together but i can't grab on to it. Something about Elanor being bad, she should be hanged, and she should stay in her place. Probably is nothing but where i found the small gallows thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_Hondekoeter. there's a sentence: Hondecoeter died in the house of his daughter Isabel in Warmoesstraat but was buried in Westerkerk. His inventory lists a <b>small gallows, to keep birds in the right position, </b>and several paintings of Frans Snyders. regarding the gallows bird thing… there’s a thing, (small gallows) that keeps a bird in the right position… this really irks me. I’ve spot-read stuff about birds, threats, Eleanor being the bird, all this comes together but i can’t grab on to it. Something about Elanor being bad, she should be hanged, and she should stay in her place. Probably is nothing but where i found the small gallows thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_Hondekoeter. there’s a sentence: Hondecoeter died in the house of his daughter Isabel in Warmoesstraat but was buried in Westerkerk. His inventory lists a small gallows, to keep birds in the right position, and several paintings of Frans Snyders.

]]> By: Ambient in Strings http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-18373 Ambient in Strings Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:19:58 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-18373 Very interesting find, Choco-Chan! Hanged or not, I do believe that the drawing was made as a threat to Eleanor, as well. Very interesting find, Choco-Chan!
Hanged or not, I do believe that the drawing was made as a threat to Eleanor, as well.

]]> By: Choco-chan http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-18358 Choco-chan Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:39:18 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-18358 Ooh, oh! I was doing a bit of google magic (googled "birds holding forks and kinives"), and came up with an article about eating utensils. Source: http://www.cuisinenet.com/digest/custom/etiquette/utensil_timeline.shtml An excerpt: <blockquote>Thomas Coryat, an Englishman, observes forks in use in Italy and resolves to use one too. Back in England he is given the nickname "Furcifer," means <b>"fork bearer" but also "gallows bird."</b> He is widely ridiculed and considered effeminate and affected. </blockquote> The part bolded that spoke of a "gallows bird" sounded interesting to me, so I googled that too. The definition of a "gallows bird" is: <blockquote>gallows bird - a person who deserves to be <b>hanged</b> scoundrel, villain - a wicked or evil person; someone who does evil deliberately</blockquote> Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gallows+bird Sounds to me like someone could be sending a message or a warning to Eleanor that she isn't liked and she should be hanged. Just some food for thought. Ooh, oh! I was doing a bit of google magic (googled “birds holding forks and kinives”), and came up with an article about eating utensils.

Source: http://www.cuisinenet.com/digest/custom/etiquette/utensil_timeline.shtml

An excerpt:

Thomas Coryat, an Englishman, observes forks in use in Italy and resolves to use one too. Back in England he is given the nickname “Furcifer,” means “fork bearer” but also “gallows bird.” He is widely ridiculed and considered effeminate and affected.

The part bolded that spoke of a “gallows bird” sounded interesting to me, so I googled that too.

The definition of a “gallows bird” is:

gallows bird – a person who deserves to be hanged
scoundrel, villain – a wicked or evil person; someone who does evil deliberately

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gallows+bird

Sounds to me like someone could be sending a message or a warning to Eleanor that she isn’t liked and she should be hanged.

Just some food for thought.

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-18332 PokerNemesis Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:31:35 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-18332 Welcome, KatMiko11 ! KatMiko11 asks: <blockquote>the bird was a doll?</blockquote> Jennifer tells us in the "Once Upon A Time" chapter, at the birdcage on the balcony: <blockquote>“The red bird in the cage… The doll Eleanor treasured. ‘If only we could fly like birds and go wherever we wished,’ she whispered softly. Yet, no matter how much Eleanor wished, she’ll never be able to just fly away from this orphanage. Poor Eleanor… She was burdened by her own frozen heart.”</blockquote> ~ Welcome, KatMiko11 !

KatMiko11 asks:

the bird was a doll?

Jennifer tells us in the “Once Upon A Time” chapter, at the birdcage on the balcony:

“The red bird in the cage… The doll Eleanor treasured. ‘If only we could fly like birds and go wherever we wished,’ she whispered softly. Yet, no matter how much Eleanor wished, she’ll never be able to just fly away from this orphanage. Poor Eleanor… She was burdened by her own frozen heart.”

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]]> By: KatMiko11 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-18329 KatMiko11 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:41:42 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-18329 umm the bird was a doll? well in the opening scene it seems like there i something is eleanors dress an then someone (i think amanda) tied a rope around it and it started to bleed i always asumed that was the bird of hapiness which drew me to the conclusion that the bird was real...idk OMG i knoe i forgeting sumthin but i cant think of it right now [angryemotionconplz] umm the bird was a doll?

well in the opening scene it seems like there i something is eleanors dress an then someone (i think amanda) tied a rope around it and it started to bleed i always asumed that was the bird of hapiness which drew me to the conclusion that the bird was real…idk

OMG i knoe i forgeting sumthin but i cant think of it right now [angryemotionconplz]

]]> By: Ambient in Strings http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-17773 Ambient in Strings Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:22:25 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-17773 Just re-read my earlier post. Sorry if it sounds awkward in some spots. I'll gladly re-type it if anyone wants. Anyways I'd like to add to it, or a little analysis really, that just spurned not too long ago. The blood splatter that 'feeds' into the open bird's mouth brings about a couple parallels, more on a symbolic level. The trail of blood reminds me of the trail of feathers Jennifer follows, but I think that is pretty obvious. But Jennifer didn't find the bird after following the trail, only that cryptic drawing. Perhaps it was a crude, little 'map' in finding the actual bird? It was probably intended for Eleanor to find, if we are to assume that was in fact her bathroom stall. But Jennifer found it instead. I think it's pretty likely that Eleanor has seen the drawing and proceeded to look for the bird on that floor, as if it were a map. Maybe she saw it as threatening on her part, too? Also, I think the part where Jennifer hides in the stall as Diana and Meg come in is particularly worth noting. If what I've discussed were true, then perhaps the two girls KNEW or suspected that Eleanor would be in the stall next to them. Since they used vague language like "I can't stand the sight of her!", or "I don't like her. No chance! Not ever!" Eleanor might have not suspected would be applied to her, but maybe Jennifer. I find it surprising that Diana and Meg, after leaving in a fit of giggles, actually waited outside the lavatory as if too see if it were actually Eleanor, perhaps to test her reaction or attitude. Seeing that it was Jennifer seemed to dismay them, but it just seemed to end in Jennifer continuing her search. Happy Fourth, fellow America-livers. Just re-read my earlier post. Sorry if it sounds awkward in some spots. I’ll gladly re-type it if anyone wants.
Anyways I’d like to add to it, or a little analysis really, that just spurned not too long ago.
The blood splatter that ‘feeds’ into the open bird’s mouth brings about a couple parallels, more on a symbolic level. The trail of blood reminds me of the trail of feathers Jennifer follows, but I think that is pretty obvious. But Jennifer didn’t find the bird after following the trail, only that cryptic drawing. Perhaps it was a crude, little ‘map’ in finding the actual bird? It was probably intended for Eleanor to find, if we are to assume that was in fact her bathroom stall. But Jennifer found it instead. I think it’s pretty likely that Eleanor has seen the drawing and proceeded to look for the bird on that floor, as if it were a map. Maybe she saw it as threatening on her part, too? Also, I think the part where Jennifer hides in the stall as Diana and Meg come in is particularly worth noting. If what I’ve discussed were true, then perhaps the two girls KNEW or suspected that Eleanor would be in the stall next to them. Since they used vague language like “I can’t stand the sight of her!”, or “I don’t like her. No chance! Not ever!” Eleanor might have not suspected would be applied to her, but maybe Jennifer. I find it surprising that Diana and Meg, after leaving in a fit of giggles, actually waited outside the lavatory as if too see if it were actually Eleanor, perhaps to test her reaction or attitude. Seeing that it was Jennifer seemed to dismay them, but it just seemed to end in Jennifer continuing her search.

Happy Fourth, fellow America-livers.

]]> By: Masq http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/30/mysteries/the-mystery-of-the-red-bird-drawing-in-the-womens-lavatory-part-1/#comment-17769 Masq Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:35:52 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/?p=376#comment-17769 The Trail of Feathers and The Falling Feathers: The falling feathers may be another referrance to the shojo genre (a genre in japanese manga for girls). It actually reminds me of a couple of things when I see it. 1) In many shojo manga there are falling feathers/petals for sceens like in the opening sequence for Wendy and Joshua/Jennifer. (the prologue) I don't know literally what it means but it gives a certain embellished feeling, like the peices of the story are falling together perfectly. Considering that Diana and Meg are tormenting Eleanor, it may be kind of a symbol, in Jen's mind, of the irony of the situation, considering the three are friends and Eleanor really hasn't done anything to betray the friendship (yet). 2) They may have actually ripped up the doll (the red bird) and thrown it's feathers off the stairwell which may have been how Jennifer was able to follow them and find out about their bet to see what Eleanor would do/say when she found out. (I'm referrancing to PN's blog post comparing the Airship's locations to the Orphanage's) This may have been exaggerated by her memory; espeically if she compared what they did to Eleanor to what Wendy did to her. WHich may be why we don't see Eleanor ever being openly cruel to Jen. Jen may feel some sort of empathetic link to Eleanor. I think either of them may be applicable... from what I recall, anyway. The Trail of Feathers and The Falling Feathers:

The falling feathers may be another referrance to the shojo genre (a genre in japanese manga for girls). It actually reminds me of a couple of things when I see it.

1) In many shojo manga there are falling feathers/petals for sceens like in the opening sequence for Wendy and Joshua/Jennifer. (the prologue) I don’t know literally what it means but it gives a certain embellished feeling, like the peices of the story are falling together perfectly. Considering that Diana and Meg are tormenting Eleanor, it may be kind of a symbol, in Jen’s mind, of the irony of the situation, considering the three are friends and Eleanor really hasn’t done anything to betray the friendship (yet).

2) They may have actually ripped up the doll (the red bird) and thrown it’s feathers off the stairwell which may have been how Jennifer was able to follow them and find out about their bet to see what Eleanor would do/say when she found out. (I’m referrancing to PN’s blog post comparing the Airship’s locations to the Orphanage’s) This may have been exaggerated by her memory; espeically if she compared what they did to Eleanor to what Wendy did to her. WHich may be why we don’t see Eleanor ever being openly cruel to Jen. Jen may feel some sort of empathetic link to Eleanor.

I think either of them may be applicable… from what I recall, anyway.

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