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		<title>By: MangaEngel</title>
		<link>http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/03/mysteries/an-over-abundance-of-joshuas/#comment-21155</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaEngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I as kind of thinking, what, if Joshua wasn&#039;t only the real prince, but also Wendys real lover?
Yeah, she made with Jennifer the pact anew in the Gingerbread House, she wants her in The Funeral to be the prince beside her as it seems, etc
But what, if she called Jennifer in the basement not only Joshua because Gregory called her like that?
The letters say &quot;Fom W to J&quot;
J can stand for Jennifer as for Joshua, also writes Wendy always Joshua and prince, both fitting to a boy like Gregorys son but not to Jennifer, who was a girl, even though Gregory mistook her for his son to stay sane.

What I want to say is, that Jennifer could have maybe stayed in the basement, but not all the time. Maybe the first letters went to the real Joshua, who died then and Wendy also used Jennifer - just like Gregory - as a substitute for her gone love, adressing him with Joshua and prince.
And just like with Gregory, Jennifer accepted that out of pity and the own wish to be loved and accepted.
If that would be it, then Wendy wanted the bear as the only real connection between her and her old, lost love and as another substitute. She also got angry at Brown (doll or not), because she noticed that her beloved Joshua was leaving her alone again (this time not by dying, but being unfaithful to her love by loving someone/something else).
That could also be a reason, why she came up with stray dog, trying to make Jennifer so scared that she would return to her position as Joshua after the plan with killing Brown/destroying the Brown doll hadn&#039;t worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I as kind of thinking, what, if Joshua wasn&#8217;t only the real prince, but also Wendys real lover?<br />
Yeah, she made with Jennifer the pact anew in the Gingerbread House, she wants her in The Funeral to be the prince beside her as it seems, etc<br />
But what, if she called Jennifer in the basement not only Joshua because Gregory called her like that?<br />
The letters say &#8220;Fom W to J&#8221;<br />
J can stand for Jennifer as for Joshua, also writes Wendy always Joshua and prince, both fitting to a boy like Gregorys son but not to Jennifer, who was a girl, even though Gregory mistook her for his son to stay sane.</p>
<p>What I want to say is, that Jennifer could have maybe stayed in the basement, but not all the time. Maybe the first letters went to the real Joshua, who died then and Wendy also used Jennifer &#8211; just like Gregory &#8211; as a substitute for her gone love, adressing him with Joshua and prince.<br />
And just like with Gregory, Jennifer accepted that out of pity and the own wish to be loved and accepted.<br />
If that would be it, then Wendy wanted the bear as the only real connection between her and her old, lost love and as another substitute. She also got angry at Brown (doll or not), because she noticed that her beloved Joshua was leaving her alone again (this time not by dying, but being unfaithful to her love by loving someone/something else).<br />
That could also be a reason, why she came up with stray dog, trying to make Jennifer so scared that she would return to her position as Joshua after the plan with killing Brown/destroying the Brown doll hadn&#8217;t worked.</p>
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		<title>By: PokerNemesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>PokerNemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Ember !

A lot of what you have missed (that is, the documents) will be found in the first 4 articles placed in the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/important-resources/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Important Resources&lt;/a&gt;&quot; section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Ember !</p>
<p>A lot of what you have missed (that is, the documents) will be found in the first 4 articles placed in the &#8220;<a href="http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/important-resources/" rel="nofollow">Important Resources</a>&#8221; section.</p>
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		<title>By: Ember</title>
		<link>http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/03/mysteries/an-over-abundance-of-joshuas/#comment-17992</link>
		<dc:creator>Ember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wait,in the good end(once upon a time)in 1 of the leters,didnt jenifer say that the guy(im not sure what his name is) was calling her joshua but her name was jenifer ever since he resqued her?maybe joshua was that guys son,and jenifer looked extremly  like him?i havent played this game b4,but,i hav seen videos from youtube,and the video was some1 playing the game start to finish,but they left out some of the facts like who gregory was,who the imps wer,so francly,im pretty confused from reading comments about the airship crashing and the doll falling out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait,in the good end(once upon a time)in 1 of the leters,didnt jenifer say that the guy(im not sure what his name is) was calling her joshua but her name was jenifer ever since he resqued her?maybe joshua was that guys son,and jenifer looked extremly  like him?i havent played this game b4,but,i hav seen videos from youtube,and the video was some1 playing the game start to finish,but they left out some of the facts like who gregory was,who the imps wer,so francly,im pretty confused from reading comments about the airship crashing and the doll falling out</p>
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		<title>By: PokerNemesis</title>
		<link>http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2009/06/03/mysteries/an-over-abundance-of-joshuas/#comment-17974</link>
		<dc:creator>PokerNemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Denise!

Denise wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But, in the process of becoming Joshua, Wendy split her persona. On one side, she was the shy, timid and sickly Wendy, while on the other side she was the evil, cute, and manipulating Joshua. which is why in the beginning of the game you see Wendy and Joshua hand in hand, forehead to forehead, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is a drawing made by Wendy, put up on the wall of the sickroom, which shows her hand in hand with Joshua and which might represent a dual personality.

But in the forehead-to-forehead encounter with Wendy in the pre-game video, the person that says that she is &quot;Joshua&quot; is Jennifer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Denise!</p>
<p>Denise wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>But, in the process of becoming Joshua, Wendy split her persona. On one side, she was the shy, timid and sickly Wendy, while on the other side she was the evil, cute, and manipulating Joshua. which is why in the beginning of the game you see Wendy and Joshua hand in hand, forehead to forehead, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a drawing made by Wendy, put up on the wall of the sickroom, which shows her hand in hand with Joshua and which might represent a dual personality.</p>
<p>But in the forehead-to-forehead encounter with Wendy in the pre-game video, the person that says that she is &#8220;Joshua&#8221; is Jennifer.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my point of view, Joshua is just a play card. Joshua was really Stray Dogs son however, stray dog killed Joshua in a drunken rampage of his own which is why he looks for &quot;peas&quot; accept he doesn&#039;t go and show it to his son, he makes it his son. Jennifer was with Stray Dog which is why she was called Joshua by Wendy. That can be one reason that she called Jennifer Joshua. Another thing, Wendy was playing the role of the &quot;new Joshua&quot; because Jennifer was no longer spending as much time with her which led to the series of events that in the end killed the RCA *red crayon aristocracy* But, in the process of becoming Joshua, Wendy split her persona. On one side, she was the shy, timid and sickly Wendy, while on the other side she was the evil, cute, and manipulating Joshua. which is why in the beginning of the game you see Wendy and Joshua hand in hand, forehead to forehead, etc. So the confusion of there being many Joshua character&#039;s is quite simple, Wendy is Joshua, Jennifer was named Joshua by Stray Dog and Stray Dog had a son named Joshua but now suffers from a psychological and alcoholic illness in which he refers to all his prey as Joshua.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my point of view, Joshua is just a play card. Joshua was really Stray Dogs son however, stray dog killed Joshua in a drunken rampage of his own which is why he looks for &#8220;peas&#8221; accept he doesn&#8217;t go and show it to his son, he makes it his son. Jennifer was with Stray Dog which is why she was called Joshua by Wendy. That can be one reason that she called Jennifer Joshua. Another thing, Wendy was playing the role of the &#8220;new Joshua&#8221; because Jennifer was no longer spending as much time with her which led to the series of events that in the end killed the RCA *red crayon aristocracy* But, in the process of becoming Joshua, Wendy split her persona. On one side, she was the shy, timid and sickly Wendy, while on the other side she was the evil, cute, and manipulating Joshua. which is why in the beginning of the game you see Wendy and Joshua hand in hand, forehead to forehead, etc. So the confusion of there being many Joshua character&#8217;s is quite simple, Wendy is Joshua, Jennifer was named Joshua by Stray Dog and Stray Dog had a son named Joshua but now suffers from a psychological and alcoholic illness in which he refers to all his prey as Joshua.</p>
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		<title>By: Masq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this discussion. Did anyone else have a theory on Joshua the Bear begin given to Wendy? There&#039;s no way to know for sure but you never know someone may have a smoking gun in their pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this discussion. Did anyone else have a theory on Joshua the Bear begin given to Wendy? There&#8217;s no way to know for sure but you never know someone may have a smoking gun in their pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: RoRLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoRLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man.... I missed out a lot of discussions...
Need to read back. Despite the fact I played the game, it seems I forgot it faster than I could ever imagine. Now I need to refresh my memoris back...
And.... a lot of things needed to be read. Wish I could online more frequently yet I dont have the opportunity to do so (;&#039;_&#039;;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man&#8230;. I missed out a lot of discussions&#8230;<br />
Need to read back. Despite the fact I played the game, it seems I forgot it faster than I could ever imagine. Now I need to refresh my memoris back&#8230;<br />
And&#8230;. a lot of things needed to be read. Wish I could online more frequently yet I dont have the opportunity to do so (;&#8217;_';)</p>
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		<title>By: Cherrona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherrona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PokerNemesis wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If Jennifer loved the teddy bear, that might be a major reason for Wendy to ask for it. By swapping the broach for the teddy bear Wendy succeeded in removing a rival for Jennifer’s affections from Jennifer’s life (as Wendy would later want to do with Brown as well), while at the same time getting Jennifer to wear a token of their love.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I interpret it more as Wendy wanting something that reminds her of Jennifer.  Sort of a substitute for when Jennifer isn&#039;t around.  And it means more to Wendy because it possibly means a lot to Jennifer (like you mentioned, she would&#039;ve become attached to it during her stay with Gregory).  
Not only that, but it did belong to Joshua to begin with, so it has duel meaning for Wendy.
(for the record I don&#039;t really support the evil Wendy theory  :P  I think she acts the way a love starved orphan might act in order to keep what little love they have  :P  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PokerNemesis wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>If Jennifer loved the teddy bear, that might be a major reason for Wendy to ask for it. By swapping the broach for the teddy bear Wendy succeeded in removing a rival for Jennifer’s affections from Jennifer’s life (as Wendy would later want to do with Brown as well), while at the same time getting Jennifer to wear a token of their love.</p></blockquote>
<p>I interpret it more as Wendy wanting something that reminds her of Jennifer.  Sort of a substitute for when Jennifer isn&#8217;t around.  And it means more to Wendy because it possibly means a lot to Jennifer (like you mentioned, she would&#8217;ve become attached to it during her stay with Gregory).<br />
Not only that, but it did belong to Joshua to begin with, so it has duel meaning for Wendy.<br />
(for the record I don&#8217;t really support the evil Wendy theory  <img src='http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   I think she acts the way a love starved orphan might act in order to keep what little love they have  <img src='http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   )</p>
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		<title>By: PokerNemesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>PokerNemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masq wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;So I was wondering if Joshua the Bear had seemed, possibly, important to Jennifer, or if Wendy was the only one the Bear mattered to.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Imagine a little girl kept in pretty much solitary confinement for 9 months with only a teddy bear for company.  Do you think that the teddy bear would become a companion to her and come to mean a lot to her?  

If Jennifer loved the teddy bear, that might be a major reason for Wendy to ask for it.  By swapping the broach for the teddy bear Wendy succeeded in removing a rival for Jennifer&#039;s affections from Jennifer&#039;s life (as Wendy would later want to do with Brown as well), while at the same time getting Jennifer to wear a token of their love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masq wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>So I was wondering if Joshua the Bear had seemed, possibly, important to Jennifer, or if Wendy was the only one the Bear mattered to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Imagine a little girl kept in pretty much solitary confinement for 9 months with only a teddy bear for company.  Do you think that the teddy bear would become a companion to her and come to mean a lot to her?  </p>
<p>If Jennifer loved the teddy bear, that might be a major reason for Wendy to ask for it.  By swapping the broach for the teddy bear Wendy succeeded in removing a rival for Jennifer&#8217;s affections from Jennifer&#8217;s life (as Wendy would later want to do with Brown as well), while at the same time getting Jennifer to wear a token of their love.</p>
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		<title>By: Masq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...

I don&#039;t see Jen taking it as a token of acceptance quite like I read Revenant Child say. It seems that the trading of gifts is a personal thing, not about the orphaange or Gregory. They say their promise as they do it. At least for Jennifer it seems to be. Which was why I was unsure why she brought the bear with her.

But Wendy&#039;s brooch seems to be important as well. It&#039;s like &quot;I want you to have this, that way you&#039;ll always have a peice of me with you.&quot; It kinda makes the blow harder when she flings it across the floor. So I was wondering if Joshua the Bear had seemed, possibly, important to Jennifer, or if Wendy was the only one the Bear mattered to.

I also thought of somehting else.

What if Jen actually asked Wendy for her brooch?

In the little princess chapter, the story book has the Princess Doll in it. There was a debate going on that this &quot;Rose Princess Doll&quot; may have been jennifer&#039;s doll at one point. What if Wendy got the brooch off the doll? Or the brooch just reminded Jennifer of the doll and she wanted it? Wendy may have used Jen&#039;s asking to get the Bear.

&quot;Bring me the bear. Then I&#039;ll let you have it.&quot;

Maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Jen taking it as a token of acceptance quite like I read Revenant Child say. It seems that the trading of gifts is a personal thing, not about the orphaange or Gregory. They say their promise as they do it. At least for Jennifer it seems to be. Which was why I was unsure why she brought the bear with her.</p>
<p>But Wendy&#8217;s brooch seems to be important as well. It&#8217;s like &#8220;I want you to have this, that way you&#8217;ll always have a peice of me with you.&#8221; It kinda makes the blow harder when she flings it across the floor. So I was wondering if Joshua the Bear had seemed, possibly, important to Jennifer, or if Wendy was the only one the Bear mattered to.</p>
<p>I also thought of somehting else.</p>
<p>What if Jen actually asked Wendy for her brooch?</p>
<p>In the little princess chapter, the story book has the Princess Doll in it. There was a debate going on that this &#8220;Rose Princess Doll&#8221; may have been jennifer&#8217;s doll at one point. What if Wendy got the brooch off the doll? Or the brooch just reminded Jennifer of the doll and she wanted it? Wendy may have used Jen&#8217;s asking to get the Bear.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bring me the bear. Then I&#8217;ll let you have it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe?</p>
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