Comments on: The Goat Sisters Storybook, Part 4, Mixed Message http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/ A spoiler-intensive RoR plot-theory blog Fri, 18 May 2012 10:21:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-36272 PokerNemesis Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:24:40 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-36272 Welcome, Jody! I favor the idea that the "Love Suicide" song is Wendy's song for Jennifer, and not a song about the relationship between Meg and Diana. I think the line "I can be so mean, you can beat me" fits Wendy better than anybody. It is true that Meg accepts violence from Diana (Diana pressing Meg's finger into a rose thorn). But is it true that Meg "can be so mean" to Diana? I don't see evidence of that. Would Diana let Meg beat her? I don't see evidence of that. Wendy, however, DID actually let Jennifer beat on her (without offering any resistance) at the end of "The Funeral" chapter. And presumably Wendy accepted Jennifer's violence because she knew she had indeed been "so mean" to Jennifer, when she brought about Brown's death. Also, Jennifer and Wendy are more central to the Rule of Rose story than are Meg and Diana, and hence it is more appropriate (I think) to expect that the theme song of Rule of Rose to be about Jennifer and Wendy. Welcome, Jody!

I favor the idea that the “Love Suicide” song is Wendy’s song for Jennifer, and not a song about the relationship between Meg and Diana.

I think the line “I can be so mean, you can beat me” fits Wendy better than anybody.

It is true that Meg accepts violence from Diana (Diana pressing Meg’s finger into a rose thorn). But is it true that Meg “can be so mean” to Diana? I don’t see evidence of that.

Would Diana let Meg beat her? I don’t see evidence of that.

Wendy, however, DID actually let Jennifer beat on her (without offering any resistance) at the end of “The Funeral” chapter. And presumably Wendy accepted Jennifer’s violence because she knew she had indeed been “so mean” to Jennifer, when she brought about Brown’s death.

Also, Jennifer and Wendy are more central to the Rule of Rose story than are Meg and Diana, and hence it is more appropriate (I think) to expect that the theme song of Rule of Rose to be about Jennifer and Wendy.

]]> By: Jody http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-35935 Jody Thu, 27 May 2010 20:27:24 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-35935 Hi guys! i really think meg's love to Diana it's true.. see, look the game's music ( ...when i'm in bed, i can be so mean, you can beat me, i will like to shame you, i will like to blame you, just because of my love to you...) this can be a prove of the lovers in the game, when i'm look this music i really think this is for Diana and Meg... if you no't belive in me, look the music "A love suicide" and tell me wath you think... but, Diana and meg gona be start in something? Who know? well.... good by Hi guys! i really think meg’s love to Diana it’s true.. see, look the game’s music ( …when i’m in bed, i can be so mean, you can beat me, i will like to shame you, i will like to blame you, just because of my love to you…) this can be a prove of the lovers in the game, when i’m look this music i really think this is for Diana and Meg… if you no’t belive in me, look the music “A love suicide” and tell me wath you think… but, Diana and meg gona be start in something? Who know? well…. good by

]]> By: Jéssica http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-35934 Jéssica Thu, 27 May 2010 20:18:28 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-35934 I don't know, but it's true when you say that Diana and Meg really louse the control... i think this go on... and it's a love so strong, meg and Diana can be girlfriends or just lovers, but really have some think in this. Well.... good look. by I don’t know, but it’s true when you say that Diana and Meg really louse the control… i think this go on… and it’s a love so strong, meg and Diana can be girlfriends or just lovers, but really have some think in this. Well…. good look.
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]]> By: forgotten princess http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-6839 forgotten princess Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:42:08 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-6839 I never doubted that at least the "even true love is easily shredded by conflict" was about Wendy and Jennifer. Also, I think there must be a parallelism between "Jen and Wendy" and "Diana and Meg". Even the unused cutscene/ promotional cutscene/opening shows us a Meg/Diana scene, and the Meg/diana love would not be that important to the story, unless it was there to suggest something about Jen/Wendy. I know I should not be citing the promotional cutscene/opening too much, but I can't help thinking back to it. Is it my impression, or the Meg/Diana scene is strangely long? This may show it is important (Or maybe it is only because many things happen there). Also, we see Meg and Diana in a bathroom (is the strong willed princess sitting on a toilet?) doing something that makes us think "WHAT!?!" and then we see Jen and Wendy in a garden of roses acting innocent and sweet, can this mean something I can't quite explain, but could be clear from what I already wrote? One last thing: when I played the goath sisters chapter, at first I hated Diana for being mean to Meg (not keeping her letters, not even answering, and basically not returning her affection) and then discovered that "I" (Jen) was doing the same thing to Wendy, making her feel lonely, and forgetting the promise! So it was like "Uggh, I'm not better than Diana after all!" Do you think the player is meant to feel that way (or maybe it is only me)? I never doubted that at least the “even true love is easily shredded by conflict” was about Wendy and Jennifer.
Also, I think there must be a parallelism between “Jen and Wendy” and “Diana and Meg”.
Even the unused cutscene/ promotional cutscene/opening shows us a Meg/Diana scene, and the Meg/diana love would not be that important to the story, unless it was there to suggest something about Jen/Wendy.
I know I should not be citing the promotional cutscene/opening too much, but I can’t help thinking back to it. Is it my impression, or the Meg/Diana scene is strangely long? This may show it is important (Or maybe it is only because many things happen there).
Also, we see Meg and Diana in a bathroom (is the strong willed princess sitting on a toilet?) doing something that makes us think “WHAT!?!” and then we see Jen and Wendy in a garden of roses acting innocent and sweet, can this mean something I can’t quite explain, but could be clear from what I already wrote?
One last thing: when I played the goath sisters chapter, at first I hated Diana for being mean to Meg (not keeping her letters, not even answering, and basically not returning her affection) and then discovered that “I” (Jen) was doing the same thing to Wendy, making her feel lonely, and forgetting the promise! So it was like “Uggh, I’m not better than Diana after all!”
Do you think the player is meant to feel that way (or maybe it is only me)?

]]> By: The inquisitive prince http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1792 The inquisitive prince Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:12:47 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1792 Thank you pokernemesis. Funny, i thought there would be more there.(sigh). Thank you pokernemesis. Funny, i thought there would be more there.(sigh).

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1779 PokerNemesis Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:47:01 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1779 The inquisitive prince wrote: ---please tell me Punchlines website name--- There isn't much there: www.punch-line.org The inquisitive prince wrote:
—please tell me Punchlines website name—

There isn’t much there: http://www.punch-line.org

]]> By: The inquisitive prince http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1769 The inquisitive prince Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:51:42 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1769 The line true love is shredded by conflict does represent wendys love for jennifer. well done Tidbits. However, this was true love because all i have to do to prove it is recite this line: EVEN TRUE LOVE IS QUICKLY SHREDDED BY CONFLICT. Wendy and jenifers true love was shredded by the conflict between them about wendy murdering brown. Also, please tell me Punchlines website name The line true love is shredded by conflict does represent wendys love for jennifer. well done Tidbits. However, this was true love because all i have to do to prove it is recite this line: EVEN TRUE LOVE IS QUICKLY SHREDDED BY CONFLICT. Wendy and jenifers true love was shredded by the conflict between them about wendy murdering brown. Also, please tell me Punchlines website name

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1309 PokerNemesis Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:32:38 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1309 Tidbits wrote: ---Sorry about the time mistake. There are just so many posts to keep up with…--- No problem. I don't expect anyone to read, or remember, all, or even most, of my archive of blog-posts before making comments. So I don't mind posting links to previous blog-posts that I think are relevant (and such responses by me shouldn't be taken as a rebuke). Hopefully such links make it easier for readers in general to familiarize themselves with previous posts, so I enjoy these opportunities to cite previous blog-posts. Tidbits wrote:
—Sorry about the time mistake. There are just so many posts to keep up with…—

No problem.

I don’t expect anyone to read, or remember, all, or even most, of my archive of blog-posts before making comments. So I don’t mind posting links to previous blog-posts that I think are relevant (and such responses by me shouldn’t be taken as a rebuke). Hopefully such links make it easier for readers in general to familiarize themselves with previous posts, so I enjoy these opportunities to cite previous blog-posts.

]]> By: Tidbits http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1308 Tidbits Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:14:29 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1308 Sorry about the time mistake. There are just so many posts to keep up with... Sorry about the time mistake. There are just so many posts to keep up with…

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1307 PokerNemesis Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:00:35 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/23/symbolism/the-goat-sisters-storybook-part-4-mixed-message/#comment-1307 Tidbits wrote: ---if it was, true love, then I think Jennifer would’ve forgiven Wendy within a good amount of time. They would’ve made-up and everything would become better once again.--- In my blog-post, "<a href="http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2007/10/18/clues/the-spontaneity-of-the-massacre/" rel="nofollow">The Spontaneity of the Massacre</a>" (October 18), I present some evidence that seems to indicate that the orphanage massacre occurred a very short time after the incident during which Jennifer slapped Wendy. If correct, there wasn't much time for Jennifer to get over Brown's death, and forgive Wendy, before the death of Wendy and the other orphans in the massacre. In the final chapter, "Once Upon a Time," if you take Jennifer to Wendy and press "x", they curtsy to each other, and Wendy kisses Jennifer on the cheek and Jennifer kisses Wendy on the forehead. This suggests to me that Jennifer DOES forgive Wendy. Tidbits wrote:
—if it was, true love, then I think Jennifer would’ve forgiven Wendy within a good amount of time. They would’ve made-up and everything would become better once again.—

In my blog-post, “The Spontaneity of the Massacre” (October 18), I present some evidence that seems to indicate that the orphanage massacre occurred a very short time after the incident during which Jennifer slapped Wendy. If correct, there wasn’t much time for Jennifer to get over Brown’s death, and forgive Wendy, before the death of Wendy and the other orphans in the massacre.

In the final chapter, “Once Upon a Time,” if you take Jennifer to Wendy and press “x”, they curtsy to each other, and Wendy kisses Jennifer on the cheek and Jennifer kisses Wendy on the forehead. This suggests to me that Jennifer DOES forgive Wendy.

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