Comments on: The Stray Dog Boss-battle Mystery (Part 5) http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/ A spoiler-intensive RoR plot-theory blog Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:14:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Gabe http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-29151 Gabe Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:40:23 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-29151 That is a good theory. That is a good theory.

]]> By: Lussh http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-29141 Lussh Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:22:53 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-29141 When saying "i'm sorry joshua", i feel more like gregory is apologising toward jennifer, still considering her as joshua. I also agree that wendy training greg like a dog wouldn't be training him to kill. After J disapearing, what else than playing with the neigborhood kids could he have done ? he missed a child. More likely, as jennifer was having fun with a dog, she was having fun with another one. Also, we mostly assume that greg obey wendy because he thinks she's joshua (as she is wearing a wig and the same clothes). But, really, unless being really blind, (could also be, he don't seem to be really sure when moving) he can see that she's not him or her (joshua-jennifer). The fact that wendy is in disguise during the game serves to lure jennifer far more than greg. And the only time we actually have a chance to look closely at "his" face is when we can see the blond hair under the wig before it's took off. In fact, even if he is weird and mentally really fragile, doesn't he seem like a nice guy, ready to play with any kid who would ask ? It freaked out martha that he was playing with wendy being her dog, but at the time martha was worried, no kid seemed to be armed, and the officer dolittle didn't saw any threat either. My point in all this : wendy and greg were just playing, and he may have known she wasn't his joshua (jennifer). By an unclear mean but for a known reason, wendy made greg "become" stray dog. The fact that she didn't intended the things to end in a slaugther, in my opinion, is a regret from ghost wendy, not the one from the time of stray dog. Then, stray dog did his job, intended by past wendy, regreted by ghost wendy. When attacking jennifer outside (during the inside fight, i think it's only jennifer dreaming that her doog could have saved her and been stronger than stray dog. After all, we can't beat stray dog before brown come back at all, so in a sense, it's only brown that beats stray dog there.) Outside stray dog acts strangely because he seem to want to apologise and hurt. The duality stray dog / greg is nice, but the important idea for me is that if wendy didn't suicide by hanging, she was indeed killed by stray dog. Maybe she intended to die that way with jennifer also, kill and suicide is quite common in love. The weapon being stray dog. If wendy was indeed tricking him as believing she was joshua, the sight of jennifer (her precious joshua) could have made him realise the other one was a false, a lying princess, and after a warming up killing spree, her death was easy Greg is sorry toward joshua. The reasons can be quite a long list, assuming wich joshua he is speaking to. In any case, i think the easyest idea, is that he is sorry for the killing spree. About where the gun came from, in the past ; i don't have any reason better than any other else, but i have a new one. As jennifer became the new princess, she was granted access to the prince and princess private quarters. I thought of that place as one were jennifer and wendy would play at first, but now i think it was more indeed a hidden, and locked, secret area, in wich only the prince and princess had right to go. That's where the gun was hidden, assuming the same place in the aircraft and the same gun we found are ; as i think, a dream version that jennifer found the gun Before the time she became princess. So the new idea (i think it's new ?) is that jennifer becoming princess had the right to go in this quarter, and found the dangerous thing herself. (or knew it was there and went to find it during the blood bath) Giving it back to greg means also she allow him to die, as a human during past, and as an everlasting ghost of memory during the game, in either case, he needed it to end it all. that's not brown at all that could end the thing. I hope all that, that i just wrote will have any meaning, and maybe some good ones. Please forgive me if i stated too much wrong or ununderstandable things. When saying “i’m sorry joshua”, i feel more like gregory is apologising toward jennifer, still considering her as joshua.
I also agree that wendy training greg like a dog wouldn’t be training him to kill. After J disapearing, what else than playing with the neigborhood kids could he have done ? he missed a child. More likely, as jennifer was having fun with a dog, she was having fun with another one.

Also, we mostly assume that greg obey wendy because he thinks she’s joshua (as she is wearing a wig and the same clothes). But, really, unless being really blind, (could also be, he don’t seem to be really sure when moving) he can see that she’s not him or her (joshua-jennifer).
The fact that wendy is in disguise during the game serves to lure jennifer far more than greg. And the only time we actually have a chance to look closely at “his” face is when we can see the blond hair under the wig before it’s took off.

In fact, even if he is weird and mentally really fragile, doesn’t he seem like a nice guy, ready to play with any kid who would ask ? It freaked out martha that he was playing with wendy being her dog, but at the time martha was worried,
no kid seemed to be armed, and the officer dolittle didn’t saw any threat either.

My point in all this : wendy and greg were just playing, and he may have known she wasn’t his joshua (jennifer).
By an unclear mean but for a known reason, wendy made greg “become” stray dog. The fact that she didn’t intended the things to end in a slaugther, in my opinion, is a regret from ghost wendy, not the one from the time of stray dog.

Then, stray dog did his job, intended by past wendy, regreted by ghost wendy. When attacking jennifer outside (during the inside fight, i think it’s only jennifer dreaming that her doog could have saved her and been stronger than stray dog. After all, we can’t beat stray dog before brown come back at all, so in a sense, it’s only brown that beats stray dog there.)
Outside stray dog acts strangely because he seem to want to apologise and hurt. The duality stray dog / greg is nice, but the important idea for me is that if wendy didn’t suicide by hanging, she was indeed killed by stray dog. Maybe she intended to die that way with jennifer also, kill and suicide is quite common in love. The weapon being stray dog.

If wendy was indeed tricking him as believing she was joshua, the sight of jennifer (her precious joshua) could have made him realise the other one was a false, a lying princess, and after a warming up killing spree, her death was easy
Greg is sorry toward joshua. The reasons can be quite a long list, assuming wich joshua he is speaking to. In any case, i think the easyest idea, is that he is sorry for the killing spree.

About where the gun came from, in the past ; i don’t have any reason better than any other else, but i have a new one. As jennifer became the new princess, she was granted access to the prince and princess private quarters. I thought of that place as one were jennifer and wendy would play at first, but now i think it was more indeed a hidden, and locked, secret area, in wich only the prince and princess had right to go. That’s where the gun was hidden, assuming the same place in the aircraft and the same gun we found are ; as i think, a dream version that jennifer found the gun Before the time she became princess.
So the new idea (i think it’s new ?) is that jennifer becoming princess had the right to go in this quarter, and found the dangerous thing herself. (or knew it was there and went to find it during the blood bath)

Giving it back to greg means also she allow him to die, as a human during past, and as an everlasting ghost of memory during the game, in either case, he needed it to end it all. that’s not brown at all that could end the thing.

I hope all that, that i just wrote will have any meaning, and maybe some good ones. Please forgive me if i stated too much wrong or ununderstandable things.

]]> By: Gabe http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-16988 Gabe Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:22:07 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-16988 Couldn't this be a memory of Gregory attacking Jennifer after seeing Wendy and Jennifer at the same time? Like, he got freaked out at there being two Joshuas and attacked? Then maybe ridden with guilt he went on a rampage hence the killing of himself? On second thought, this does seem far fetched. Couldn’t this be a memory of Gregory attacking Jennifer after seeing Wendy and Jennifer at the same time? Like, he got freaked out at there being two Joshuas and attacked? Then maybe ridden with guilt he went on a rampage hence the killing of himself?

On second thought, this does seem far fetched.

]]> By: Masq http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-3785 Masq Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:03:58 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-3785 They didn't say that. Joshua said, "If you don't, I'll kill you! ^_^-" In referring to the game they play... but it had nothing to do with stray dog... "Stray dog gives us sweets." "Stray dog kidnaps kids." Those are the two "Truths" their beliefs on stray dog circle around. They didn’t say that. Joshua said, “If you don’t, I’ll kill you! ^_^-” In referring to the game they play… but it had nothing to do with stray dog…

“Stray dog gives us sweets.”

“Stray dog kidnaps kids.”

Those are the two “Truths” their beliefs on stray dog circle around.

]]> By: Brown1930 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-3779 Brown1930 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:01:42 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-3779 I just wanted to ask you know at the beginning of the game i guess the intro. Jeniffer is sitting on a bench in the park and it goes through all the scenes is this all part of her dream too. Because at the end of the intro you see her hugging brown or a dog that looks like brown and the huge Zeplin flies over head. Oh and another thing i forgot what i was on but it was like the kids said something like when stray dog gets you you are forever confined to the airship in the sky even in death or something like that. I just wanted to ask you know at the beginning of the game i guess the intro. Jeniffer is sitting on a bench in the park and it goes through all the scenes is this all part of her dream too. Because at the end of the intro you see her hugging brown or a dog that looks like brown and the huge Zeplin flies over head.
Oh and another thing i forgot what i was on but it was like the kids said something like when stray dog gets you you are forever confined to the airship in the sky even in death or something like that.

]]> By: nakedfish http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1291 nakedfish Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:04:46 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1291 Oh, my mistake. I still would have thought the newspaper would mention how brutally he murdered them all, but this is English newspapers we're talking about here. Oh, my mistake. I still would have thought the newspaper would mention how brutally he murdered them all, but this is English newspapers we’re talking about here.

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1278 PokerNemesis Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:59:12 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1278 nakedfish wrote: ---Training Gregory as a dog does not = training Gregory to kill.--- I definitely agree with this statement, and the hypothesis that I intend to present later today will be a reason for training Gregory that doesn't involve killing. ---the newspaper says he shot them, doesn’t it?--- No. It just says that he shot himself: <blockquote>20 December 1930 A tragic multiple homicide has occurred at an orphanage in Cardington resulting in the deaths of all the children housed there. Among the dead was one adult, Gregory M. Wilson, a local resident. Analysis of the crime scene suggests that Wilson shot himself with a pistol. Police have identified him as their prime suspect in the murders of the children. (Smoking Room, Sir Peter chapter, Goat Sisters chapter, newspaper)</blockquote> nakedfish wrote:
—Training Gregory as a dog does not = training Gregory to kill.—

I definitely agree with this statement, and the hypothesis that I intend to present later today will be a reason for training Gregory that doesn’t involve killing.

—the newspaper says he shot them, doesn’t it?—

No. It just says that he shot himself:

20 December 1930

A tragic multiple homicide has occurred at an orphanage in Cardington resulting in the deaths of all the children housed there.
Among the dead was one adult, Gregory M. Wilson, a local resident.
Analysis of the crime scene suggests that Wilson shot himself with a pistol.
Police have identified him as their prime suspect in the murders of the children.
(Smoking Room, Sir Peter chapter, Goat Sisters chapter, newspaper)

]]> By: nakedfish http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1277 nakedfish Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:30:11 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1277 Training Gregory as a dog does not = training Gregory to kill. Even though in Jennifer's (warped, as everything she remembers is) memory Gregory attacks them all like a dog, the newspaper says he shot them, doesn't it? So far almost every boss battle or event of Jennifer's has been contradicted by real tangible evidence such as Hoffman's diary. She remembers killing him, the diary says he scolded her for letting Peter out of his cage and bullying Olivia (trying to steal her butterfly?). She remembers Clara hanging from the ceiling vomiting acid, we know this is pretty unlikely especially considering Jennifer says Clara and Martha left later on. The goat sisters were dolls, so I don't think anyone needs to argue on that battle. Why would the newspaper, something that is meant to be sensational, not mention that Gregory tore the orphans apart? That makes the massacre much more newsworthy than a shooting spree. Not to mention Wendy in boys clothes. If the fight in the attic just happened, how would Wendy get into Joshua's clothing? And why would she bother since she visits him without them anyway? My own opinion is that Wendy either a) ran to Gregory as a father figure because there were no other adults and well, Jennifer just beat the crap out of her! b) ran to Gregory, discovered he was crazier than usual and tried to warn the other orphans a la the storybook. Training Gregory as a dog does not = training Gregory to kill. Even though in Jennifer’s (warped, as everything she remembers is) memory Gregory attacks them all like a dog, the newspaper says he shot them, doesn’t it? So far almost every boss battle or event of Jennifer’s has been contradicted by real tangible evidence such as Hoffman’s diary. She remembers killing him, the diary says he scolded her for letting Peter out of his cage and bullying Olivia (trying to steal her butterfly?). She remembers Clara hanging from the ceiling vomiting acid, we know this is pretty unlikely especially considering Jennifer says Clara and Martha left later on.

The goat sisters were dolls, so I don’t think anyone needs to argue on that battle. Why would the newspaper, something that is meant to be sensational, not mention that Gregory tore the orphans apart? That makes the massacre much more newsworthy than a shooting spree. Not to mention Wendy in boys clothes. If the fight in the attic just happened, how would Wendy get into Joshua’s clothing? And why would she bother since she visits him without them anyway?

My own opinion is that Wendy either a) ran to Gregory as a father figure because there were no other adults and well, Jennifer just beat the crap out of her! b) ran to Gregory, discovered he was crazier than usual and tried to warn the other orphans a la the storybook.

]]> By: Darla http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1276 Darla Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:51:50 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1276 As I stated in other posts it's possible Wendy only warned the orphans as a way to gain back they're affection and title. By that I mean she protects them or gives them a choice make her princess again or stray dog will come and punish them. That failed so she got angry and tells Gregory to punish them for breaking the rules and being bad children. As I stated in other posts it’s possible Wendy only warned the orphans as a way to gain back they’re affection and title. By that I mean she protects them or gives them a choice make her princess again or stray dog will come and punish them. That failed so she got angry and tells Gregory to punish them for breaking the rules and being bad children.

]]> By: kaokaokyo http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1274 kaokaokyo Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:25:09 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/02/21/mysteries/the-stray-dog-boss-battle-mystery-part-5/#comment-1274 There was proof through out the game that Wendy had been more or less training Gregory but I do belive that it was for a backup to her stories about Stray Dog. And when the confrontation with Jennifer came around, she fell back on what she had been doing with Gregory as a spurt of the moment thing. It was a nice convience of payback for her. There was proof through out the game that Wendy had been more or less training Gregory but I do belive that it was for a backup to her stories about Stray Dog. And when the confrontation with Jennifer came around, she fell back on what she had been doing with Gregory as a spurt of the moment thing. It was a nice convience of payback for her.

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