Comments on: Bird-Imps, Do They Relate to Drinking-Bird Toys? http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/ A spoiler-intensive RoR plot-theory blog Fri, 18 May 2012 10:21:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Deathps http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-221169 Deathps Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:36:14 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-221169 it has a connection with displine on children when they behave badly, a teacher strikes at a child ( old times they use to let teachers beat children) a child feels the pain as sharp knifes or thorns beating down on them and when they see it like "sharp" they think a bird's break. The height of the bird is really tall since teachers are bigger then children of course. that's where you get the height of the bird >_> and that's how the bird imp is created ( by my opinion) And why are people relating the bird imp to mr. hoffman and his penis? >_> if it had to do something with the sexual content then it wouldn't look like a bird of course it has a connection with displine on children when they behave badly, a teacher strikes at a child ( old times they use to let teachers beat children) a child feels the pain as sharp knifes or thorns beating down on them and when they see it like “sharp” they think a bird’s break. The height of the bird is really tall since teachers are bigger then children of course. that’s where you get the height of the bird >_>
and that’s how the bird imp is created ( by my opinion)
And why are people relating the bird imp to mr. hoffman and his penis? >_> if it had to do something with the sexual content then it wouldn’t look like a bird of course

]]> By: Abysmal Zero http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-218587 Abysmal Zero Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:27:22 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-218587 You know, I don't know if the "drinking bird" decision was a goof on the creator's part or not. But, if it was intentional, I think that the bird certainly represents Eleanor. A drinking bird is always drinking--it's always thirsty, and never satisfied. Eleanor seems to be this way. She's always searching, wishing she could fly like the birds; but she'll never be one, and so she becomes cold, always unsatisfied with her world. --The red bird in the cage... The doll Eleanor treasured. "If only we could fly like birds and go wherever we wished," she whispered softly. Yet, no matter how much Eleanor wished, she'll never be able to just fly away from the orphanage. Poor Eleanor... She was burdened by her own frozen heart...-- You know, I don’t know if the “drinking bird” decision was a goof on the creator’s part or not. But, if it was intentional, I think that the bird certainly represents Eleanor.

A drinking bird is always drinking–it’s always thirsty, and never satisfied. Eleanor seems to be this way. She’s always searching, wishing she could fly like the birds; but she’ll never be one, and so she becomes cold, always unsatisfied with her world.

–The red bird in the cage… The doll Eleanor treasured. “If only we could fly
like birds and go wherever we wished,” she whispered softly. Yet, no matter how
much Eleanor wished, she’ll never be able to just fly away from the orphanage.
Poor Eleanor… She was burdened by her own frozen heart…–

]]> By: Black Rose http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-56282 Black Rose Tue, 02 Nov 2010 02:32:24 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-56282 I thought the differnt imps were meant to "look" like the differnt orphans. The ones with bags were the orphans with bags, the fish for Diana and/or Clara, the pig for Thomas (overweight kid), regular imps for Olivia, the bird for Elenor, and was there a goat one? If there was, then for Meg and/or the goat sisters. I thought the differnt imps were meant to “look” like the differnt orphans. The ones with bags were the orphans with bags, the fish for Diana and/or Clara, the pig for Thomas (overweight kid), regular imps for Olivia, the bird for Elenor, and was there a goat one? If there was, then for Meg and/or the goat sisters.

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-10573 PokerNemesis Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:11:34 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-10573 Welcome, Daniel Reynolds! Thanks for coming by and giving us better information about the history of the drinking birds. :D Somehow, I'm not surprised that the Chinese managed to invent such a toy long ago. I've read some of the articles in Joseph Needham's "Science and Civilization in China" volumes, and I am quite impressed by the technological inventiveness of the Chinese civilization. But we still have no reason to believe that an English orphan, circa 1930 C.E., would have familiarity with a drinking bird toy, right? By the way, your giant drinking birds are ultra cool! Thanks for making them! Great Job! Welcome, Daniel Reynolds!

Thanks for coming by and giving us better information about the history of the drinking birds. :D

Somehow, I’m not surprised that the Chinese managed to invent such a toy long ago. I’ve read some of the articles in Joseph Needham’s “Science and Civilization in China” volumes, and I am quite impressed by the technological inventiveness of the Chinese civilization.

But we still have no reason to believe that an English orphan, circa 1930 C.E., would have familiarity with a drinking bird toy, right?

By the way, your giant drinking birds are ultra cool! Thanks for making them! Great Job!

]]> By: Daniel Reynolds http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-10571 Daniel Reynolds Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:38:35 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-10571 While making the Giant Drinking Birds I found out the drinking birds have been around longer than the patent, the person who got the patent is NOT the inventor, a 300 year old Russian paper was found that speaks of the birds being an old Chinese toy that came some time after the invention of glass. The drinking birds have been here for 800 years! They have come and gone as a toy and have amazed people for hundreds of years. While making the Giant Drinking Birds I found out the drinking birds have been around longer than the patent, the person who got the patent is NOT the inventor, a 300 year old Russian paper was found that speaks of the birds being an old Chinese toy that came some time after the invention of glass. The drinking birds have been here for 800 years!
They have come and gone as a toy and have amazed people for hundreds of years.

]]> By: ParadoxWriting http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-9396 ParadoxWriting Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:25:30 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-9396 The motion of real birds who feed from the ground (a majority) is to tip themselves over and peck at the ground for seeds. Those are the case for short birds, (like the cute little round ones.) Chickens do the same thing, only they have more of a neck so the motion looks slightly different. Considering that in order to make the "mask" for the bird imp to do what a tall bird would do (majority of tall birds have long, elegent necks that can bend and curve {Ostrich, Flamingo, Swan, etc.}) it would take a serious amount of complicated (for children that is) mechanics within the neck of the bird itself. It could be that they just wanted to have the bird do its pecking motion, but couldn't create such a mechanism in the neck to make the bird mimic it. None of the other imps have any such delicate workings, most of them are made from rope and other things children can easily work with. The reasoning for it being tall could be irony that Elaenor is short and withdrawn while the bird imp itself is tall and obnoxious, or they children/imps wanted to appear more intimidating by being as tall/taller than Jenny is. (In the initiation scene, Jennifer is kneeling, which automatically puts everyone at a taller standing than she is.) I can see the idea of a drinking bird influencing the idea of this bird's movements, and it could very well be so, but the movements of the drinking bird come from some of the natural movements of common birds that are everywhere. (That and they were playing with the laws of physics to say: Look it will just keep going and going and going~> due to the movement of the water within the bird). I always liked those water drinking birds... it was fun to attack my sleeping brother with them. And is anyone else a little amazed that those bird-imps didn't fall over from trying to manuver around and attack with that huge extension of their body? On the basis of it being influenced by a water-drinking bird she saw later in life, it certainly supports the fact that this is Jen dreaming, and that her subconscious is not only feeding her images and ideas from when she was 8, but also including things from later in life that she would be much more familar with/remember so that it is not a complete mental overload of: It all looks... familar... but why does it?? <-- a lot of people would get seriously frustrated/overloaded with not being able to figure out why everything seems that he/she should know it but they don't without the comfort of seeing somethings that they do recognize IE the movement of a drinking bird. Keep Up the Good Work~<3 ~~ParadoxWriting~~ The motion of real birds who feed from the ground (a majority) is to tip themselves over and peck at the ground for seeds. Those are the case for short birds, (like the cute little round ones.) Chickens do the same thing, only they have more of a neck so the motion looks slightly different. Considering that in order to make the “mask” for the bird imp to do what a tall bird would do (majority of tall birds have long, elegent necks that can bend and curve {Ostrich, Flamingo, Swan, etc.}) it would take a serious amount of complicated (for children that is) mechanics within the neck of the bird itself.

It could be that they just wanted to have the bird do its pecking motion, but couldn’t create such a mechanism in the neck to make the bird mimic it. None of the other imps have any such delicate workings, most of them are made from rope and other things children can easily work with. The reasoning for it being tall could be irony that Elaenor is short and withdrawn while the bird imp itself is tall and obnoxious, or they children/imps wanted to appear more intimidating by being as tall/taller than Jenny is. (In the initiation scene, Jennifer is kneeling, which automatically puts everyone at a taller standing than she is.)

I can see the idea of a drinking bird influencing the idea of this bird’s movements, and it could very well be so, but the movements of the drinking bird come from some of the natural movements of common birds that are everywhere. (That and they were playing with the laws of physics to say: Look it will just keep going and going and going~> due to the movement of the water within the bird).

I always liked those water drinking birds… it was fun to attack my sleeping brother with them. And is anyone else a little amazed that those bird-imps didn’t fall over from trying to manuver around and attack with that huge extension of their body?

On the basis of it being influenced by a water-drinking bird she saw later in life, it certainly supports the fact that this is Jen dreaming, and that her subconscious is not only feeding her images and ideas from when she was 8, but also including things from later in life that she would be much more familar with/remember so that it is not a complete mental overload of:

It all looks… familar… but why does it?? <– a lot of people would get seriously frustrated/overloaded with not being able to figure out why everything seems that he/she should know it but they don’t without the comfort of seeing somethings that they do recognize IE the movement of a drinking bird.

Keep Up the Good Work~<3

~~ParadoxWriting~~

]]> By: Maru http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1452 Maru Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:45:29 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1452 If you look at is as Jennifer is dreaming of her past, and her age during game play is her REAL age, then she would be 19, roughly tens years after the deaths at the orphanage. Meaning, it is possible that she related the bird imps to the newly made water-drinking brids. If you look at is as Jennifer is dreaming of her past, and her age during game play is her REAL age, then she would be 19, roughly tens years after the deaths at the orphanage. Meaning, it is possible that she related the bird imps to the newly made water-drinking brids.

]]> By: dzulk9theme http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1169 dzulk9theme Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:15:44 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1169 I see, but maybe i was doing that because it was much faster(because the imp was much closer to the classroom,near the corridor. I tend to avoid walking through the imps, but normally mostly imps without weapon jumps onto Jenniffer. The one with weapon are pretty much easier to avoid. But in the stage, its funny to have mostly semi boss (or strong imps) in the stage beside the trio's. I can remember the 2 pecking bird though. The another one chased me, i ran out quickly( near the birdcage). I actually hoped these pecking birds do have extra meanings O_O in the stage. I see, but maybe i was doing that because it was much faster(because the imp was much closer to the classroom,near the corridor. I tend to avoid walking through the imps, but normally mostly imps without weapon jumps onto Jenniffer. The one with weapon are pretty much easier to avoid. But in the stage, its funny to have mostly semi boss (or strong imps) in the stage beside the trio’s. I can remember the 2 pecking bird though. The another one chased me, i ran out quickly( near the birdcage). I actually hoped these pecking birds do have extra meanings O_O in the stage.

]]> By: PokerNemesis http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1152 PokerNemesis Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:31:06 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1152 dzulk9theme wrote: ---The imp just out side the room (doesn’t wield any weapon) carries a shortbread. If you defeated the bird and the other imps inside the classroom, you can go out from the room to kill the imp to get shortbread and get inside again. The imp and the shortbread will respawn again, and sort of unlimited shortbreads.--- If I recall correctly, what causes that imp to respawn with the shortbread is not the sojourn in the classroom but the leaving of the corridor. Try leaving the corridor and returning in an easier way and see if that works. dzulk9theme wrote:
—The imp just out side the room (doesn’t wield any weapon) carries a shortbread. If you defeated the bird and the other imps inside the classroom, you can go out from the room to kill the imp to get shortbread and get inside again. The imp and the shortbread will respawn again, and sort of unlimited shortbreads.—

If I recall correctly, what causes that imp to respawn with the shortbread is not the sojourn in the classroom but the leaving of the corridor. Try leaving the corridor and returning in an easier way and see if that works.

]]> By: dzulk9theme http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1150 dzulk9theme Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:02:48 +0000 http://ruleofrosemysteries.com/2008/01/08/clues/bird-imps-do-they-relate-to-drinking-bird-toys/#comment-1150 Lost Orphan wrote: —the one in the classroom during “The Funeral” has got to be one of the toughest creatures in the game (I almost count it as a boss).— I agree, it is extremely tough… which is especially onerous because defeating it doesn’t help one to enter the inner courtyard. Entering the classroom accomplishes nothing in that respect. It only gives Jennifer a lot of trouble. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I disagree! Even though entering the classroom is sort of a bad choice but it wasn't. The imp just out side the room (doesn't wield any weapon) carries a shortbread. If you defeated the bird and the other imps inside the classroom, you can go out from the room to kill the imp to get shortbread and get inside again. The imp and the shortbread will respawn again, and sort of unlimited shortbreads. And with lumberjack axe killing it is easy..... In other mean, it helps the game in gaining food for future battles......(the 2 goat, rat and pig imps.....) Lost Orphan wrote:
—the one in the classroom during “The Funeral” has got to be one of the toughest creatures in the game (I almost count it as a boss).—

I agree, it is extremely tough… which is especially onerous because defeating it doesn’t help one to enter the inner courtyard. Entering the classroom accomplishes nothing in that respect. It only gives Jennifer a lot of trouble.

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I disagree! Even though entering the classroom is sort of a bad choice but it wasn’t. The imp just out side the room (doesn’t wield any weapon) carries a shortbread. If you defeated the bird and the other imps inside the classroom, you can go out from the room to kill the imp to get shortbread and get inside again. The imp and the shortbread will respawn again, and sort of unlimited shortbreads. And with lumberjack axe killing it is easy…..

In other mean, it helps the game in gaining food for future battles……(the 2 goat, rat and pig imps…..)

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