Rule of Rose Mysteries

Mitsa says:

While it is entirely possible that the 1946 theory is accurate and is the case, I’m more supportive of the goof. Because the times are so closely related together, (1930 compared to 1946), I think they didn’t realize the difference. What I’m confused about with the insertion theory is that yes, Eleanor was involved with birds, but it what way would the ‘drinking bird’ movement symbolize any correlation with Eleanor? It would make more sense, in that case, to have the imps like a rooster, with pecking….

But wait, the motion they peck at you is not only similar to a drinking bird, but to that of, lets say, a rooster pecking down at seeds; up and down. Do you think that could be the connection that Shirogumi intended?

Original Prankster says:

That movement of “drinking water” could be assiciated with some sexual themes… Maybe a connection with Clara “drinking” Hoffman’s “water”, like the game insinuates in The Funeral Charpter…

CuriousAristocrat says:

the bird imp looks real freaky in the picture and in the game. really want to hit them though!

the head of the bird imp is made of wood, not like the real animal heads like the other types of imps.

Original Prankster says:

I still think that ropes symbolizes old and abbandoned things

Original Prankster says:

Forgive me about what I will say, but…

Still thinking that “The movement of “drinking water” could be assiciated with some sexual themes… Maybe a connection with Clara “drinking” Hoffman’s “water”, like the game insinuates in The Funeral Charpter…”…

There’s a small bird-imp and a tall bird imp… could they represent a penis?

Yuriko says:

Personally, I feel that the reference is too clear for it to have been unintentional.
I do not think it was necessarily a mistake either.

I’ve just made a comment regarding a contemporary, inarguably intentional reference in “A Love Suicide” in the “Third Month-iversary” post/thread/whatever.

I suggest that this may follow the same sort of principle, an intentional reference, without regard to the time-frame of the game itself. This is not to suggest that the time-frame is irrelevant, it’s very relevant I think, rather, that certain -layers- of ROR adhere to it, some more strictly than others, and some not at all. These “layers” are among the reasons I have been so infatuated with ROR, double and triple meanings are to be found everywhere, so many things working simultaneously on various layers at once. Each giving a bit of colour, voice, and texture.

FiliusMartis says:

I myself am leaning towards the date goof theory for a few reasons. First of all, even if they didn’t intend for the Bird Imps to represent drinking bird toys, they would have to realize that the animation gives that idea and chose to leave it. Does the game give the date 1930 or the 1930s … I don’t remember. If it specifically says 1930 then we would have to believe that at least 16 years have passed… Jennifer as we see her and Jennifer in the flashbacks do not seem to be 16 years apart by any stretch of the imagination. However, if the game reads 1930s then it could be 1938 and a 7 or 8 year stretch I would buy.

Lost Orphan says:

After my last post I realized I had left out the date of Hoffman’s discipline of Jennifer with the pointer. It was 12 April 1930, this journal entry can be found in the “Sir Peter” chapter after the battle with Hoffman. All one needs to do to find it is to go to the sickbay after defeating him.

dzulk9theme says:

Lost Orphan wrote:
—the one in the classroom during “The Funeral” has got to be one of the toughest creatures in the game (I almost count it as a boss).—

I agree, it is extremely tough… which is especially onerous because defeating it doesn’t help one to enter the inner courtyard. Entering the classroom accomplishes nothing in that respect. It only gives Jennifer a lot of trouble.

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I disagree! Even though entering the classroom is sort of a bad choice but it wasn’t. The imp just out side the room (doesn’t wield any weapon) carries a shortbread. If you defeated the bird and the other imps inside the classroom, you can go out from the room to kill the imp to get shortbread and get inside again. The imp and the shortbread will respawn again, and sort of unlimited shortbreads. And with lumberjack axe killing it is easy…..

In other mean, it helps the game in gaining food for future battles……(the 2 goat, rat and pig imps…..)

dzulk9theme says:

I see, but maybe i was doing that because it was much faster(because the imp was much closer to the classroom,near the corridor. I tend to avoid walking through the imps, but normally mostly imps without weapon jumps onto Jenniffer. The one with weapon are pretty much easier to avoid. But in the stage, its funny to have mostly semi boss (or strong imps) in the stage beside the trio’s. I can remember the 2 pecking bird though. The another one chased me, i ran out quickly( near the birdcage). I actually hoped these pecking birds do have extra meanings O_O in the stage.

ParadoxWriting says:

The motion of real birds who feed from the ground (a majority) is to tip themselves over and peck at the ground for seeds. Those are the case for short birds, (like the cute little round ones.) Chickens do the same thing, only they have more of a neck so the motion looks slightly different. Considering that in order to make the “mask” for the bird imp to do what a tall bird would do (majority of tall birds have long, elegent necks that can bend and curve {Ostrich, Flamingo, Swan, etc.}) it would take a serious amount of complicated (for children that is) mechanics within the neck of the bird itself.

It could be that they just wanted to have the bird do its pecking motion, but couldn’t create such a mechanism in the neck to make the bird mimic it. None of the other imps have any such delicate workings, most of them are made from rope and other things children can easily work with. The reasoning for it being tall could be irony that Elaenor is short and withdrawn while the bird imp itself is tall and obnoxious, or they children/imps wanted to appear more intimidating by being as tall/taller than Jenny is. (In the initiation scene, Jennifer is kneeling, which automatically puts everyone at a taller standing than she is.)

I can see the idea of a drinking bird influencing the idea of this bird’s movements, and it could very well be so, but the movements of the drinking bird come from some of the natural movements of common birds that are everywhere. (That and they were playing with the laws of physics to say: Look it will just keep going and going and going~> due to the movement of the water within the bird).

I always liked those water drinking birds… it was fun to attack my sleeping brother with them. And is anyone else a little amazed that those bird-imps didn’t fall over from trying to manuver around and attack with that huge extension of their body?

On the basis of it being influenced by a water-drinking bird she saw later in life, it certainly supports the fact that this is Jen dreaming, and that her subconscious is not only feeding her images and ideas from when she was 8, but also including things from later in life that she would be much more familar with/remember so that it is not a complete mental overload of:

It all looks… familar… but why does it?? <– a lot of people would get seriously frustrated/overloaded with not being able to figure out why everything seems that he/she should know it but they don’t without the comfort of seeing somethings that they do recognize IE the movement of a drinking bird.

Keep Up the Good Work~<3

~~ParadoxWriting~~