Document-based Time-line: Before Jennifer Arrived at the Orphanage
Posted by PokerNemesis in CluesThis is an arrangement of the dated documents of Rule of Rose as a time-line, from the earliest document to the ones just prior to Jennifer’s arrival at the orphanage.
This is the time period between 25 April 1929 and 2 March 1930.
The GamesSpot/GameFAQs gamescript faq incorrectly claims that the letter exchange between Jennifer and Wendy began in 1928 (and declares, based on this incorrect date, that the “Joshua” of Gregory’s diary entries must be Jennifer). Although the dates on the letters exchanged between Jennifer and Wendy don’t mention the year, these letters could not possibly date from 1928 as Jennifer was living in the cellar of Gregory’s house when the correspondence began, but the airship that Jennifer flew on, and that crashed, killing Jennifer’s parents and resulting in Jennifer being rescued by Gregory, didn’t take flight until 1929. Therefore, Jennifer was not at Gregory’s house in 1928 and Jennifer was not exchanging letters with Wendy in 1928.
The first document of the time-line, by the way, is one that was overlooked in the GameSpot/GameFAQs game-script faq.
If I have made any errors, or have left out a document that should be here, please let me know in the “comments”.
TIME-LINE:
“25 April 1929
The World’s Largest Airship to Take Flight
In anticipation of the coming era of airship travel,
(“Unlucky Clover Field”, Smoking room, newspaper)
~~~
“Sunday, June 1
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Monday, June 2
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Tuesday, June 3
Cloudy. Weeding again. Tomorrow, I’m thinking of taking my son Joshua with me out to the fields.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Wednesday, June 4
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Thursday, June 5
Rain in the afternoon. Weeded the field again. Joshua isn’t feeling well, so I worked in the fields alone, as always.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Friday, June 6
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Saturday, June 7
Rainy. Weeding again. Tomorrow morning, I’ll go into town to sell peas, so tonight I must make preparations. It is a busy day indeed.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Sunday, June 8
Clear skies. I went to market and sold peas and carrots. I had hoped to be able to feed Joshua something nutritious, but sales were not good, so I was not able to buy much.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Monday, June 9
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Tuesday, June 10
Clear skies. Joshua has been misbehaving. He went and ate sweets out of the cupboard without permission.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Wednesday, June 11
Cloudy. Weeding the fields again. It was chilly today. I’ll have to give Joshua a blanket so he won’t catch a cold.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Thursday, June 12
Cloudy. Joshua is under the weather. He has a slight fever, so I fed him some hot pea soup.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Friday, June 13
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Saturday, June 14
Cloudy. Planted peas in the ground.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Sunday, June 15
Rainy. I spent the day in my room drawing a picture book for Joshua. I’m sure he’ll enjoy this one.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Monday, June 16
Cloudy. Today, I cleaned out the barn. Joshua told me he liked my latest story. Nothing pleases me more that to see my son happy.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Tuesday, June 17
Cloudy. Barn cleaning again. I’ve been neglecting the fields, so they’re in a bit of a mess. I must drive the insects and mice away.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Wednesday, June 18
Clear skies. I did weeding today. The weather was beautiful. A great day to work in the fields.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Thursday, June 19
Clear skies. More weeding. I wanted to take Joshua out with me to the fields, but his coughs were getting worse, so I had him stay in bed.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Friday, June 20
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“21 June 1929
Another Unexplained Disappearance
There has been another mysterious disappearance of a child recently. Following missing children reports on the 7th and 14th, police are now investigating this case as both a possible kidnapping and a missing person.
Local residents are advised not to allow children outside unsupervised and to take caution around any suspicious individuals.”
(“Gingerbread House”, boarded-off room with sky wall paper, newspaper on floor by the chair)
~~~
“Saturday, June 21
Clear skies. Planted peas in the ground.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Sunday, June 22
Cloudy. I thought of a good idea for a story. I’m going to take a day off from the fields and concentrate on refining it.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“23 June 1929
Luxury Airship Missing!
It is speculated that the vessel diverted from its course to avoid a low pressure system approaching from the south, but its whereabouts are still unknown.
Due to the heavy thunder and rain that have blanketed the area since yesterday, the search for the airship has faced many difficulties.
(“Gingerbread House” Cellar Bedroom, newspaper clipping pinned up on wall)
~~~
“Monday, June 23
Clear skies. I did weeding today. Joshua told me he liked my latest story. There’s nothing I love more than seeing his beaming, happy face.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Tuesday, June 24
Clear skies. Weeding again. It feels great to work the fields on such a fine day.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Wednesday, June 25
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Thursday, June 26
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
“Friday, June 27
Clear skies. Today, I weeded the fields. Work went well.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
~~~
Gregory’s June 1929 calendar
1 (sun) Sunday
2 (sun) Monday
3 (cloud) Tuesday
4 (sun) Wednesday
5 (rain cloud) Thursday
6 (sun) Friday
7 (rain cloud) Saturday
8 (sun) Sunday
9 (sun) Monday
10 (sun) Tuesday
11 (cloud) Wednesday
12 (cloud) Thursday
13 (sun) Friday
14 (cloud) Saturday
15 (cloud) Sunday
16 (cloud) Monday
17 (cloud) Tuesday
18 (sun) Wednesday
19 (sun) Thursday
20 (sun) Friday
21 (sun) Saturday
22 (cloud) Sunday
23 (sun) Monday
24 (sun) Tuesday
25 (sun) Wednesday
26 (sun) Thursday
27 (sun) Friday
28 (unmarked) Saturday
29 (unmarked) Sunday
30 (unmarked) Monday
~~~
10 November
To Mr. Joshua, the bear in distress,
My name is Wendy. I always watch you from the sky. Mr. Joshua, why are you trapped down there?
(“Gingerbread House”, Cellar Bedroom, cradle?)
~~~
16 November
Dear Wendy, my visitor in the window,
Thank you so much for writing to me. The man calls me Joshua, but my name is Jennifer. I’ve been in this room ever since he saved me. He’s a nice person… but he won’t let me leave.
(“Once Upon a Time”, Sickroom, by the lamp)
~~~
27 November
From W to J
My Prince in need of rescue,
It was a pleasure to meet you, my dear Prince. What a wonderful encounter! Yes… I only wish there was a world for just you and I: The Prince and Princess…
Don’t worry. I’ll set you free.
(“Gingerbread House” Cellar Bedroom, cradle?)
~~~
10 December
From J to W
Thank you Wendy.
I want to fly away from this room and run with you in the fields…
But the man is so lonely, so sad. I can’t just leave him alone.
(“Once Upon a Time”, Sickroom, by the lamp)
~~~
9 January
From W to J
…Oh my poor kind prince.
You’re worried because that man sometimes seems crazy, right? Well don’t worry. I know where he hides that awful thing of his. So let’s run away together. You can leave it all to me. Everything will be all right.
(“Gingerbread House” Cellar Bedroom, cradle?)
~~~
14 January
From J to W
Thank you Wendy, my kind and fair Princess. Is there something that I can do for you?
(“Once Upon a Time”, Sickroom, by the lamp)
~~~
20 January
From W to J
My Prince, Please don’t worry. I’ll do anything for you. Just… pledge your love for me. That’s all I ask.
(“Gingerbread House” Cellar Bedroom, cradle?)
~~~
24 January
From J to W
I, Jennifer, pledge to the fair Princess Wendy:
Everlasting
True love
I am yours
(“Once Upon a Time”, Sickroom, by the lamp)
~~~
27 January
From W to J
Tomorrow night, I shall unlock your shackles. Let us live together forever.
everlasting
true love
i am yours
(“Gingerbread House” Cellar Bedroom, cradle?)
~~~
“March 2, 1930
Recently, the children have been engaging in odd activities and spreading disturbing rumors—rumors about creatures that come after children who don’t clean up and stray dogs that kidnap small tots… It’s all very bizarre.”
(“The Little Princess”, Headmaster’s room, desk, Hoffman’s diary)
(“Once Upon a Time”, Headmaster’s room, desk, Hoffman’s diary)
~~~
“Sunday, March 2
I don’t know what’s wrong with me. Was it something I did? Last month I failed. What will happen to me this month? Mr. Hoffman said that a new girl is coming soon. Will I even lose to her and be all miserable? I’m scared. I hate to think what’s in store for me.”
(“Rag Princess Sews”, Working Class Luggage, Amanda’s diary)
Entries (RSS)
PLOT HOLE?
I wanted to ask about this. As the sole survivor of the airship crash, Jennifer was taken to the orphanage by the officer Dolittle (according to Jennifer). How is it that she was living in Gregory’s house, a complete strange? I mean, between the crash and her life in the orphanage, what was the time when that happened?
Yuzo-kun, you are thinking of this comment by Jennifer (“Once Upon a Time” chapter, at the front gate):
“That day, I was escorted from the scene by Officer Doolittle. At first, it was reported that there were no survivors… Then, word got out that, miraculously, I had escaped the tragedy… When rumor spread that I was also the sole survivor of a horrific airship accident in which the passengers were all presumed to be dead, the media went into a frenzy.”
Jennifer is speaking of being escorted from the scene of the orphanage massacre by Officer Doolittle. She isn’t speaking of how she got to Gregory’s house after the airship crash. We don’t know how that occurred, except that somehow Gregory “saved” Jennifer.
Oh, my mistake
That was very well done. Thanks
“That day, I was escorted from the scene by Officer Doolittle. At first, it was reported that there were no survivors… Then, word got out that, miraculously, I had escaped the tragedy… When rumor spread that I was also the sole survivor of a horrific airship accident in which the passengers were all presumed to be dead, the media went into a frenzy.”
Jennifer escaped death twice. What makes her the “unlucky, wretched girl” everyone makes her out to be?
SithLibrarian wrote:
—Jennifer escaped death twice. What makes her the “unlucky, wretched girl” everyone makes her out to be?—
It is the narrator who always calls Jennifer an unlucky girl.
If Jennifer IS dreaming, then the narrator of the story is an aspect of her own mind: so it is Jennifer herself who thinks she is unlucky.
It is interesting to note that Jennifer regards EVERY orphan as being a prince or princess EXCEPT herself. She is just “the unlucky girl”. And Jennifer never refers to ANYONE by their Aristocrat Club rank.
I was wondering, how long did Gregory “keep” Jennifer?
elyonum asks:
—I was wondering, how long did Gregory “keep” Jennifer?—
We don’t know for sure when she arrived at Gregory’s, but we have a good idea when she left Gregory’s: 28 January 1930.
I would think, judging from the date of the airship crash (see the post “When Did the Airship Crash?“), and considering no mention of Jennifer’s arrival in Gregory’s diary, that Jennifer most likely arrived at Gregory’s very shortly after 27 June 1929.
So I’d say 7 months.
I still don’t understand completely, even after finishing on the “puppy in shed” ending. So like how was Gregory responsible for the deaths of the children, did he really “gobble” them up, or did he do something that caused the airship to crash? I know Wendy said “you’ll be sorry” to Jennifer and she was training Gregory to be a stray dog, but I’m still confused.
In fact, i think that jennifer fleed Gregory’s house with Wendy, then was brought to the orphanage by Dolittle, In that time, the police was investigating of joshua’s disappear, he died, then Gregory buried him in the backyard ( as seen in the unused cutscene ), Jennifer was treated like Joshua for a time, then, she fled his house, and begun her life in the orphanage, there, she kept her days playing the red rose games, when she met Brown, Wendy became jealous and ordered to slaughter Brown (this a point that i don’t quite understand), then Jennifer spanked Wendy, the girls lost their likeness to Wendy and Jennifer was made their new princess.
Waging for vengeance, Wendy took advantage of Gregory’s weak mind ( by disguising herself into Joshua ) and trained him as the stray dog, she made him murder the girls, then, she felt sorry, and wanted finish the crap she done by giving Jennifer the gun, and finish Gregory’s misery.
Just a question… , was all the children at the orphanage really dead? because Wendy may have survived the massacre.
She was disguised as Joshua, and Gregory just took her inside.
Thank you, if someone wanna wanna chat, kusanagi535@hotmail.com is my MSN, i like this kind of talk.
I thinks that wendy’s dead, because when she took off her wig the stray dog lifted and took her in the house, maybe gregory killed her bceause she fooled him
my mail is rodri.ch@hotmail.com, i love rule of rose’s story =)
“Thursday, June 5
Rain in the afternoon. Weeded the field again. Joshua isn’t feeling well, so I worked in the fields alone, as always.”
Anyone else notice that every Thursday except the last one “Joshua” is either too sick to go out or misbehaving? And usually Gregory plans to take him out?
Maybe this has some connection with the Thursday in the Pea Story?
Is it possible that Gregory was on the airship when it crashed? How else could he have rescued Jennifer?
obscureterminus asks:
How would his being on the airship square with his diary entries?
See today’s blog-post for an alternative scenario:
Did Anyone Know, Before the Orphanage Massacre, to Connect Jennifer to the Airship Crash?
Thanks for this great site!
I’m sorry to dig up this old entry, but I wanted to ask something. I always assumed the children that disappeared from town had been taken by Gregory because he needed them to make up for his dead son before he rescued (well) Jennifer.
Looking at the dates here, I see that it doesn’t really make sense that way. ???
“Thursday, June 19
Clear skies. More weeding. I wanted to take Joshua out with me to the fields, but his coughs were getting worse, so I had him stay in bed.”
This would indicate Joshua was still alive but already being sick.
“21 June 1929
Another Unexplained Disappearance
There has been another mysterious disappearance of a child recently. Following missing children reports on the 7th and 14th, police are now investigating this case as both a possible kidnapping and a missing person.
Local residents are advised not to allow children outside unsupervised and to take caution around any suspicious individuals.”
According to this, a few kids were missing already. Then Gregory couldn’t have been responsible for it if Joshuy was still alive. On the 7th, he did write he wanted to go to town the next day (so he obviously didn’t go there on the 7th) and he also didn’t mention town on the 14th. So, if he hadn’t been to town on those dates, how could he have kidnapped the children?
On the other hand, he mentions planting peas underground on two of the three days a child disappeared, so could it be that “planting peas” really means burrying those kids? This would make sense if the sick Joshua he mentioned were actually those children and he was making up their sickness in order to explain to himself why the boy wasn’t there with him on the field. “Oh, right, he’s staying inside today.” Also, because he remembered the real Joshua as a sickly child. Or could “planting peas underground” refer to locking them up in the cellar room?
It’s also noteworthy that the first time he mentions something positive about Joshua is June 23, he likes the story and smiles. Evidently, this is really Jennifer. The other substitute Joshuas were struggling, trying to flee, obviously not happy, so he saw them as sick and also needed reasons to keep them in the house. (Sickness, being punished for disobedience.) Because they wouldn’t accept their role and it probably became to much of an issue to keep those kids captive, he had to kill them and get a new one until he had Jennifer who most likely didn’t refuse to play that role because he rescued her, she felt sorry for him, ahd no home (or memories) anyways and was, as we learn in the story, too weak back then to defend herself (emotionally).
Another explanation might be, that the diary entries actually DID refer to the real Joshua, but are one (or more?) year older than the newspaper article. They don’t mention the day of the week, just the date. So it could be that after almost a year (or more time) of suffering and sadness with the “anniversary” of his boy’s death drawing near, he started to imagine the kid was still alive and kidnapped children from the town as substitutes, resulting in the newspaper article. This would also explain why his diary doesn’t mention having gone to town on the days the kids were kidnapped, because that diary is not from the same year.
Now I don’t know if this makes much sense and I wrote a bit “streaming out of my mind” without structurizing everything, but did I make clear where my confusion came from and how I think it could all be explained? (If anyone’s still reading this.^^)
Welcome, SPF!
SPF wrote:
Or your assumptions are wrong. For one proposed alternative see my blog-posts:
Was Gregory a Cannibal?
Peas That Kick and Scream
~
SPF wrote:
Or it indicates that crazy Gregory thinks Joshua is there. But perhaps it is somebody else? Somebody who coughs most of the time that we see her during the game Somebody who has to stay in bed a lot for being sick. Somebody we see impersonating Joshua during the game. See my blog-post:
Was Wendy the “Joshua” of Gregory’s Diary Entries?
~
SPF asks:
See my blog-post:
Peas That Kick and Scream
~
SPF wrote:
I think we can safely rule out that possibility by comparing the diary with the calendar. See my blog-post:
Comparing Gregory’s Calendar With His Diary
~
SPF asks:
I don’t recall this being suggested before. I’ll give it some thought.
SPF wrote:
The date of the 23rd is very close to the child disappearance report of the 21st. This seems awkward for the suggestion that the Joshua of the 23rd is Jennifer, but I’ll give it some more thought.
Yeah, I’m really not sure any longer I did understand what was up with Gregory and the missing children. So what I wrote here are really just suggestions, as I’m not sure it all fits the timeline and so on. I wanted to write something in the Cannibalism entry comments earlier today, but the internet connection was gone and I didn’t think of copying it. I’ll see if I can rephrase my thoughts there.^^ Anyhow, I’m currently replaying RoR and want to pay more attention to the “sidestories”.
Since this is partly about documents and I wouldn’t know where else to ask: During the Gingerbread House chapter (and on other occasions, I believe) we hear Gregory repeating that Stray Dog song or Poem or whatever. I think it sounds very well, but I never understood all of it. Is it written somewhere in one of the blo entries? (I’m going to read them all anyways, that’s for sure.^^)
SPF asks:
See my blog-post:
Peas That Kick and Scream
~
Oh, and it’s the very next entry in the list I haven’t read yet.^^ Thanks a lot.
“It’s also noteworthy that the first time he mentions something positive about Joshua is June 23, he likes the story and smiles. Evidently, this is really Jennifer. The other substitute Joshuas were struggling, trying to flee, obviously not happy, so he saw them as sick and also needed reasons to keep them in the house. (Sickness, being punished for disobedience.) Because they wouldn’t accept their role and it probably became to much of an issue to keep those kids captive, he had to kill them and get a new one until he had Jennifer who most likely didn’t refuse to play that role because he rescued her, she felt sorry for him, and no home (or memories) anyways and was, as we learn in the story, too weak back then to defend herself (emotionally).”
Well, it has been a long time since I’ve played RoR, but I can remember that I have had the same idea at that time of playing RoR. It’s the most plausible explanation that the Josuha referring to the June 23 is Jennifer:
1. June 23 is the first day Joshua is described being happy due to the fact that Jennifer accepts being Joshua. The other kids didn’t.
2. The airship had been missed (according to the newspaper article on June 23) and most likely crashed on June 22.
3. The kid being missed according to the newspaper article on June 21 (so you have to take into consideration that the action had already happened the day before on June 20) was “planted in the ground” by Greg on the same day. So, meanwhile (June 21 till 23) Greg had to take a look for a new Joshua.
Notable is also that Greg is writing on June 22 that he is “going to take a day off from the fields and concentrate on refining”. So there ARE indications how Jennifer met Greg. This leads me to the conclusion that it’s quite possible that he was very close to the site of the airship crash (note also that he described June 22, the day the air ship crashed due to foul weather, as “cloudy” whereas the days before and after were sunny). There, he “saved” Jennifer and picked her up. This would also explain why Jennifer accepted the role of Joshua:
She considered him to be her savior in a certain way, being the first person after surviving the crash, prolly she feels that she is in his debt. Both seem to be lonely persons since they lost their loved ones, so you can say that this relationship is kind of symbiotic. That’s why she has no problem of being Joshua – at least at the beginning of this affair.
“23 June 1929
Luxury Airship Missing!
England’s largest luxury airship, which just set sail on its virgin flight—a flight celebrated across the country with great fanfare—was reported today to have gone off course and is currently missing.
It is speculated that the vessel diverted from its course to avoid a low pressure system approaching from the south, but its whereabouts are still unknown.
Due to the !!!! heavy thunder and rain !!! that have blanketed the area since yesterday, the search for the airship has faced many difficulties.
(“Gingerbread House” Cellar Bedroom, newspaper clipping pinned up on wall)
~~~
“Monday, June 23
!!!!Clear skies.!!!! I did weeding today. Joshua told me he liked my latest story. There’s nothing I love more than seeing his beaming, happy face.”
(“Gingerbread House”, Study, Gregory’s diary)
Clear Sky => Heavy thunder and rain
Does anybody see the contradiction in there? If the search party can’t seem to find the airship because of the bad weather, then it means that the airship was nowhere near Gregory’s house. Howerver, never does he mention going away from home, neather this day, or any day after. And if the crash was not near his home, what buisness did Gregory have to go anywhere near the place the airship crashed? It seems to me that Gregory put so much enphasis on the weather that this contradiction can’t be without meaning.
Could it be that the diary is simply from another year than the one of the crash, like it was proposed? Or could it be that Gregory made it all the way to the area where the crash was only to find Jennifer? But in that case, how could he have expected to find her?
Another explanation could simply be that the airship crashed on June 22, when Gregory noted that it was cloudy and that the search team realy underestimated how far the airship had drifted away, so they were looking in the bad weather area instead of the one where Gregory was, which was only cloudy.
Those are only ideas…
Good thinking, thecatmax, to notice the problem.
I’ve noticed it too. See my blog-post When Did the Airship Crash? and the associated comments.
~
“Another explanation could simply be that the airship crashed on June 22, when Gregory noted that it was cloudy and that the search team realy underestimated how far the airship had drifted away, so they were looking in the bad weather area instead of the one where Gregory was, which was only cloudy.”
Could be a possibility, but you don’t have to think outside the box when you pay attention to the tense of the diary entry on June 22. Look carefully: “Cloudy. I thought of a good idea for a story. I’m GOING TO take a day off from the fields and concentrate on refining it.” Got it? Most likely he wrote the diary entry at the BEGINNING of the day. Thus you can say it’s not really an ordinary diary entry written at the end of the day – it’s rather a daily routine that he takes down. So if it is cloudy in the morning, why couldn’t it be rainy and stormy during the course of the day? We all know how English weather can change within minutes. So this leads again to the theory that the air ship crashed close next to him.
Just my 2 cents though.
Does Gregory selling peas and whatnot have anything to do with that song Eleanor,Diana,and Meg were singing in the cutscene where Jennifer was promoted?
They sing “Stray Dog must have his peas”, so there seems to be some sort of connection, yes.
I’ve been raking through TheSinnerChorno’s gamescript all day, piecing together what I can. I’m going to have to play the game over if I want to be 100% certain since some of the errors in that script are too huge to figure out. Based off what I’ve gotten from his script, Martha died after Hoffman decided to leave.
Also, January comes between October and November.
Also, the months you play through have NOTHING to do with documented months. Sir Peter wasn’t even supposed to be around until July when Brown was found, but gamescript bucketknight clues indicate the Sir Peter chapter was in May.
Lexzl wrote:
In the “Once Upon A Time” chapter, Jennifer tells us (at the portrait of Hoffman in the foyer): “One day, Mr. Hoffman suddenly disappeared. Clara and Miss Martha soon followed, leaving me and the other orphans alone.”
~
Lexzl wrote (of the letters between J and W):
See my blog-post: An Incorrectly Dated Letter From W to J
~
Lexzl wrote:
“NOTHING to do with” is a bit of an overstatement, I think. Usually there is at least some tiny connection somewhere that can be found. But I agree that the months ascribed to chapters are not, as a rule, reliable indicators of how to date elements within the chapter with regard to Jennifer’s forgotten past.
I suppose I was a bit biased in thinking Martha died before Hoffman. Though I really wish the chapters’ months were all canonical, especially since “The Little Princess” Chapter begins in March which is when Jennifer arrives. On another note I thought this was fairly clever: The final lines of “A Love Suicide”
Prior to June 1929 everything was fine and Jennifer’s life was unsullied by Gregory and the Aristocrats.
i have a question about gregory’s diary?
who’s “joshua” in his diary? is it jennifer? or the real joshua willson?
@cL
I’ll be addressing that question once again when I do my upcoming blog-posts regarding the question of who is the “Joshua” in Wendy’s drawings.
I don’t think it can be Jennifer because of the timing of the airship crash.
See my blog-post When Did the Airship Crash? bearing in mind that we see a mention of Joshua in the diary as early as June 3.
Another question! (Sorry ^^ but you’re the best to ask!) Jennifer was saved by Gregory after the airship crashed, somehow. The airship took off April 25, and Gregory’s first diary is June 1st. Are we to assume that in between that time period of a couple months, the shipped crashed then? Because the entry in which the airship is noted as missing doesn’t occur until June 23rd, but since Jennifer has been living with Gregory for some time now by this news report, we know that the airship has already crashed, or else she wouldn’t be living with him. Right?
And then, Wendy finds Jennifer, and alerts Hoffman, and has her moved to the orphanage?
@madi382
I think you’ve got it wrong with most of what you’ve written. Read my blog-post When Did the Airship Crash? and I think it will clear up a lot.
@madi382
There is a gap of about a month and a half between the time that Jennifer escaped from Gregory’s house and her arrival at the orphanage. Considering that this time-gap was during a what was probably a snowy time of the year in that part of England, I doubt that Jennifer would have spent much of that time out of doors. In my imagination, Jennifer got into a condition of poor health due to malnutrition and cold temperature before she ever left Gregory’s basement, and Wendy was motivated by that to press harder that Jennifer should leave the basement. Then Wendy led Jennifer to a hospital (or perhaps to a police station, from which they would have sent Jennifer to a hospital), but didn’t herself go in with Jennifer (so as to avoid questions that would be troublesome to answer). Jennifer made up some story that wouldn’t draw attention to Gregory. Then, once Jennifer was recovered enough, she was sent to the orphanage. This is largely conjecture, but I think it makes sense. I don’t imagine that Wendy brought Jennifer to Hoffman. I think that both Wendy and Jennifer would have wanted to have Jennifer become “found” further away from Gregory’s house, so as to avoid implicating him in any way.
There are unused sound files that depict the first impression that the other orphans had of Jennifer was that Jennifer was “really scrawny”. I think this may support the idea that Jennifer was malnourished as a result of her stay at Gregory’s house.
Wendy writing in July “I am so relieved that you are well again!” may indicate that Jennifer was a long time recovering from her stay at Gregory’s house and that she was ill when she left there.
Thanks so much for clearing that up!
Amanda’s diary says Sunday ,March 2nd , that Hoffman says a new girl will be coming soon. Maybe her stay at Gregs was more like 9 months, and she had a baby by Gregory? It’s off the wall but very possible. The cradle with letters in it always gave me chills…